أبويا عاوز يدبحني !
حكاية عيد الأضحى.. طبعا كلنا نعرفها.. حين أمر الله سبحانه وتعالى سيدنا إبراهيم بذبح إبنه إسماعيل، فعرض الأب على ابنه أمر الله، فقال إسماعيل: "يا أبت افعل ما تؤمر به ستجدني إن شاء الله من الصابرين"، وباشر إبراهيم تنفيذ أمر الله، إلاّ أن الله تعالى فداه بذِبْحٍ عظيم جاء به الملك جبريل عليه السلام...
تخيل لو جاء لك أبوك بنفس الخبر.. وقال لك ببساطة "تعال أذبحك".. ماذا ستفعل ؟!
ماما تتصرف
محمد سليمان، 17 سنة ، أكد أنه سيخبر والدته وهى "تتصرف"، وقال "أنا لا أجيد الحديث مع أبى، وغالباً ماما هى المتحدث الرسمى لى عنده وهذا فى الأحوال العادية، وفى هذه الحالة هي ايضا من ستححدث نيابة عني".
واتفق شريف طه، رابعة خدمة أجتماعية، مع محمد فى رد فعله مع أبيه وقال "ماما هتقدر تقنعه أن ده مش حلم.. ده كابوس".
هشام فتحى، معد برامج، قال "هو لازم طبعاً أكون بارد فى الموقف ده ، وممكن أقوله تعالى نصلى ركعتين لربنا ونقرأ قرآن بعديها نبقى نشوف هتدبحنى بإيه، وأكيد بعد كدة الحلم هيتنسى".
وأحمد مطاوع، 23 سنة، قال "صعب قوى يحصل ده دلوقتي، ولو حصل ووالدى حلم كدة هقوله تعالى نصلى فى الحسين وأعزمك هناك على كباب وكفتة هينسوك النوم نفسه ".
أكرم فريد ، مهندس معمارى، قال "هفدى نفسى أنا وأجيبله خروف على حسابى".
أما عبد الله محمد 22 سنة ، فقال " لو أبويا حلم بهذا، انا هقوله وأنا كمان حلمت أنى قتلت حد عزيز عليا قوى".
هسيب البيت
أحمد فكرى 19سنة، هقوله "اللى انت عايزه يا بابا اعمله انا تحت أمر حلمك بس سبنى أروح الكلية ولما أرجع نشوف، وبعدين أختفى يومين عند أى حد وأرجع هيكون بابا نسى الحلم وحيفتكر بس إنى سيبت البيت".
وحسام حلمى فكر زى أحمد وقال "هسيب البيت لمدة أسبوع وأرجع لما اتأكد أنه نسى الحلم".
صبح صبح
مصطفى عبد الفتاح ،19 سنة، هقوله "صبح صبح يا عم الحاج ،الحاجات ديه من فعل الشيطان، أنا مش سيدنا إسماعيل ولا أنت نبينا إبراهيم".
هذه كانت تصرف الجنس الخشن ، تعالوا نرى الجنس اللطيف ماذا سيفعل.. مها محمود قالت "بابا عمره ما يحلم بكدة ، ماما ممكن.. أصلها وأنا صغيرة كانت دايما بتقولى لما أعمل حاجة غلط هسن السكينة وهدبحك".
أمانى عبد المنعم قالت هقنعه أن من كثرة تفكيره فى لحمة العيد حلم الحلم ده، وهقنعه إننا نأكل أول يوم عيد فراخ مش لحمة.
سمر محمد هقوله ماما هى اللى كانت فى الحلم مش أنا.
وأنت ماذا يا ترى سيكون رد فعلك...
تعليقات القرّاء
تعليقات القرّاء كما حفظها أرشيف الإنترنت. في التعليقات الأقدم لم يحفظ الموقع اسم الكاتب ولا وقت الكتابة: العنوان هو ما كتبه القارئ، والتاريخ هو أول لقطة ظهر فيها التعليق.
هاهاهاهاهاهاهاهاهاهاها
هقولوا يابابا انا احلمت اني انا دبحتك قبل ما انت تدبحني .... وبهيك بخلص عليه قبل ماهو يخلص عليا .... ياروح مابعدك روح ..
ههههههههههههههه
يدبح مييييين
يابى الحج انت شكلك رحت القرون اللي فاتت و جاي تطبق هنا
نقطه خطيره احب الفت نظر الكاتبه ونظر اداره الموقع .. اذا جاز لنا ان نسئل انفسنا لو كنا مكان سيدنا ابراهيم او مكان سيدنا اسماعيل عليهم السلام ماذا كنا سنفعل لكن لا يجوز لنا باي شكل من الاشكال الاستهانه بالامر زي مليش دعوه انا ااقوله انا اللي حلمت الاول دا امر مرتبط باعتقاد وملناش نقول لو كنا هنعمل ايه ونهون الامر كدا . معروف عن سيدنا ابراهيم عليه السلام انه كان اواه منيب وحليم وامه قانتا لله وانه احب ابنه اسماعيل اشد ما يحب الوالد ابنه ووفدينا بذبح عظيم فابتلاء سيدنا ابراهيم كان من اشد الابتلاء وفيه عبره وعظه اعتقد انه كان فيه طرق افضل لمنقشه الامر دا مش انه نقول لو كنا مكانه كنا عملنا ايه ولا يصح اساسا لان رؤيا سيدنا ابراهيم كانت امرا من الله وليست حلما وما ينطق عن الهوي اي نبي من انبياء الله ما بعثه الله لينطق عن الهوي انما هو وحي ولا يجوز تدارك هذه الحدث بهذه الطريقه احتمال تقولوا ايه التذمت دا لكن دي وجه نظري وحاولو تنظروا للامر من نظرتي وجزاكم الله خيرا
Was it necessary to terrify Ibrahim and Ishmael with this horrible task? Are not our hearts and intentions open to Allah so he can know whether we are true believers without terrifying us?
انا موافقة بس بشرط اللى يدبحنى دا يكون حبيبى وعمرى ساموزين
ياسلاام انا هكون روعة لو ادبحت على ايدو
الأخ بتاع "pagan rituals" و للا الأخت -الله أعلم- ايه النخلف و الهبل و التطاول اللي انت فيهم دول؟!!
انت فاكر نفسك مين و للا فين علشان تقول على ربنا سبحانه و تعالى كده؟!!
روح يا ابني ( أو يا بنتي ) راجع نفسك و استغفر ربك .. ربنا يهديك
eah 2ellet el adab wel wasa... elly nezlet 3ala el mawqe3 dah. dah rabbena3azzeb qawm noo7 3ashan nafs essabab malakom la targoona LiLlahi waqarah???
el akh elly mish 3aref rabboh we 2el2e7'wah elly wa7'deenaboo el anbeya2 wesayyedna esma3eel tarya2ah. we law ana 2olt le2ayy wa7ed feekom abook aw ummak yez3al we ye2ool balash tagree7!!
we mish be3eed el mawqe3 yemsa7 etta3leeq?
howwa el 2ab wel umm 2a3azz minrabbena
illet 2adab we safalah.
yatkom el 2araf mawqe3 lemamah sa7ee7
ana we mish abook elly hayedba7ak. we mish manam wala mas7'arah we kalam fady 3ala 20at la2 dah besa7ee7. ana3arfak wenta 3arefny.. watch your back ya haydy..cause m gonna...
جتكم نيلة
الموضوع لا يقبل للنقاش او حتى الاستهزاء..ليت لناذرة من ما في قلبي سيدنا ابراهيم واسماعيل من الايمان والرضا بامر الله...فتح النقاش بهذه الطريقة فتح الباب للاستمزاء والضحك بطريقة سفيهة من البعض..يرجى اعادة النظر في طرح الموضوع او هكذا مواضيع مستقبلا اتقاءا للشبهات....
ya safla (elmaradeh le elywafe2 en mawdoo3 zay keda ynzel hena)>>>>3ayez te3raf es2al so2al a7san law abook talb menak tetal2 meratak zay masydena ibrahim 3amal ma3a ebno we men 3'eer medeek asbaab hte3melha wala la2
ela kooool 7'wal we sharmota hena law matlametosh ana begad habtedy al3ab fe elmawka3 daah we 3ala nos elsana keda hawa23o 7'ales
Law ahlak rabook 3edel makontesh etkalemt 3ala 7'aleel allah belshakl dah wala kont olt salawat kofar(pagan rituals)
This usual agressive behaviour is very acceptable facing people who thinks that they are mothakfeen
i was the one the insulted u & insulted the sharmota beta3et samo zeen,i am not allah defender,bos ya roo7 omak wala eldeen wala elquran me7tageen wa7ed 3'alban zay 7alty ydafe3 3anhom
enama amsalek men elmot7'alefeen ely mesh medyeen rabena wakaro fadool lehom 3andy 7aga wa7da bass
darb elgezam
Finally, the sole purpose of my comment is to make us revise the inconsistent stories that we believe in and perhaps comprehend the noble lessons in them.
inconsistent stories that u said we believe in are a very big core in our religion,if u believe they are inconsistent then show me ur consistent stories plz
about insulting u,i am ashamed of any word that i said & istill think u desreve more than that,u probably need to be insulted in arabic but my prob is that i dont have an arabic keyboard,the freedom of experssion is accepted in any subject u like except religious matters as its not a matter of argument but idiots like u think that thier mind is perfect that they can analyse even the religious believes
men emta we e7na bens2a fe 7aga 3an dena enama kol elkofar we elmol7deen fakreen dema3'hom a3la we ybtda ys2alo as2ela wes7'a zay beta3tak
ro7 yabny et3alem denak we batal 7'arf
I repeat what I saw inconsistent in this story: Allah ordered the slaughter of a boy who has not done anything wrong. Allah does not trust one of his profits and wants to test his devoutness
However, if we think that there was no divine order of slaughtering Isameal. And that what Ibrahim saw was a dream influenced by the pagan ritual of human sacrifice. Thus Allah interfered to teach him and us that humans can not be sacrificed to please Allah.
MAsha Allah.
listen guys, how about understanding the story in this way.
this was not a dream cause the ro2ya of prophets is revelition. Then what is the point. the point is when you, muslims got a clear order from Allah that doesn't make since to you at all moreover it is clearly harmful to you and to your family. jsut like the order to kill your son!!. And because you obey Allah SWT you just work hard to do it althought you don't understand it or find it justified, just like sayyeduna Ibrahim and his son trying to obey . Then Expect Allah SWT to send you an unusual rescue and salvation that will save you from the harm you expected. and make you in higher level of honour. thats the 2 sheeps sent to save sacrify Ismaeel. and making them an example for beleivers through history.
now the point against pajan theory is our beleive in the Quran..( he said falamma aslama wa tallaho liljabeen) you guys know whay aslama means!! Submit to the order, rights. It is an order then.
Also Ishmael said ( ya 2abati 2ef3al mato2mar) oh father do whatever yo're ordered.
if we just read before speak we could have saved a lot of time.
helloo there
its nice weather.
in the free free culture of expression. when you have the right to discuss my beleives I have the right to defend them. when you have the right to insult my prophets accusing them of having some pagan delutions and dreams, I will insult you accordingly.
If you trust your logic articulate mind and i trust my beleive. in the free netspace we both can fght freely. You think(act of mind) I'm an extremist and I beleive you're an idiot.
It's a very nice weatehr!!
As for the decent guy, I am not being sarcastic here, who used the text from the holy Quran would he please tell me the verse that says that anything that profits see in their sleep is a revelation? I am serious in this question because this is very important.
Clear enough?
Also rasoolo Allah PBUH said ' Ro2ya alanbeya2 wa7won mina Allah' in another 7adeeth 'ro2ya Alanbeya2 7aqq'
so..
. i DON'T believe that any one who tries to revise Muslim theology as the Sheiks of the model edges understood it is an idiot, I beleive the one who tried to do this without any knowledge is one.. which is very logic. I doctros treat cancer for years with surgery and radiochemotherapy and you assume you have a better treatment that make sense, but with you not having any tools or methods or knowledge!! calling you an idiot is natural part of the conversation and not an insult. here you didn't even take the time to read what the quran says about the story or what the prophet PBUH said, put a side reading tafseer of whome you called shiekhs and I call scholars and creticize their ideas in knowledgable articulate way.thats point one. . we should distinguish between the person and his/her ideas, AGREED then you r not an idiot but you carry an idiot ideas? is that what you are saying. then i'm not an extremest but I do carry extreme ideas thats fine. But man its not the ideas here its the fact that you are using your thought alone whithout any knowledge or even reading.
Another point is when you said my beleives and your thougts don't take it personal when somebody accuse you being infidil or Kafer, cause you just admit that you don't share his beleive so you are carrying a disbeleiving ideas
In the Quran that you don't take the time to explore or read Allah mentioned the disbeleivers in three verses in surat Annajm/the star: in yattabe3oona illa Atthann"
they are following but their though..
Now that doesn't justify the insults you get when you discuss such critical issues with those whome you called passionate muslims. But the next example might show you how insulting we are when we try to discuss somebody in secular way...
your fatehr lived a long time in india.
your fatehr defend a poor cow mistreated by its owner.
I THINK your father is just affected by the Indian rituals of praising cows. You beleive/you know your father is very wise and very merciful thats why you start telling us about your father. But your brother attacked us very harshly and said we are nothing but punch of idiots who know nothing about the man. We are not respecting him though. Although we heard all what you said about you wise father and all proofs about him being wise enough and faithfull enough not to do this. Our response was negative accusing you for being so limited and don't accept free conversation.
now this is the Father of the prophets. "Inna Ibraheema kan ummatan qanitan lillahi 7aneefan WA LAM YAKO MINAL MUSHRIKEEN"
For me I understand how insulting we were to your brother and totally accept his rage and reaction.
We muslims are much more passionate about the Prophets and God more than we do to our own parents wives and families.
No insult man but you started first accusing the father of beleivers Khalil of God of being affected by Pagan rituals without even reading what Allah says about it.
After days of exchanging ideas!!
you are asking the decent guy to tell you the verse where is mention that the dream of prophets is a revelation?
Don't forget that the weather is terribly nice today. no need for umbrillas
For me, the idea that Allah ordered human sacrifice contradicts the essence of his teaching that human life is sacred and the explanation that this order was a test of Ibrahim’s loyalty means that Allah does not trust his prophet which is unimaginable. That is why I rejected this interpretation of the story and started to look for another understanding to the events narrated in the holy Quran. When I went back to the story I found that Ibrahim says that he dreamt about slaughtering his son. He did not say that Allah order him to do so, and in one of the taffaser (Altabry) it is said that he swore the sacrifice of his first son even before having a son وَكَانَ فِيمَا ذُكِرَ أَنَّ إِبْرَاهِيم نَذَرَ حِين بَشَّرَتْهُ الْمَلَائِكَة بِإِسْحَاق وَلَدًا أَنْ يَجْعَلهُ إِذَا وَلَدَتْهُ سَارَة لِلَّهِ ذَبِيحًا. Something similar to the story of Abdel motaleb who swore to sacrifice his 10th son.
So I though of the possibility that Ibrahim was motivated by his devotion to Allah and wanted to show his acknowledgement to Allah by sacrificing the most precious thing he had, that is hi son. And not by a direct order from Allah. Now having come to this idea I subjected it to criticism because it clearly become invalid if in any part of the story Ibrahim says that allah ordered him to slaughter his son. When I read again the story I found that the word order was Isameal’s ,or Isaac’s , conclusion. Ibrahim never said that it was a revelation (wahy) or a divine order to cut the throat of an innocent human being.
The other thing that can make this idea invalid is if the dreams of the prophets were equivalent to revelations. I looked up The Hadith that all the prophets’ dreams are revelations; it is not in el Bokhary or Muslim’s sahihs. The idea that everything the prophets see or say is directly revealed or ordered by God means that the prophets are very close to being personifications of Allah, as the Christians see Jesus, which contradicts the essence of Muslim beliefs that prophets are humans who can make mistakes.
So far, I have not seen any fact that contradicts this interpretation I proposed. While the one I was taught as a child, which is one that you repeated, has two contradictions as explained earlier and therefore illogical. No offenses are meant. Please, do not wear the warriors gear of obscenities in your reply, we are not fighting any battle here; we are just exchanging ideas.
The analogy you draw between scholars and physicians has two serious flaws in it.
1- The success of any idea in medicine can be tested. When a scholar tells you that if you do this or that Allah will be pleased, there is absolutely no way to know for sure that Allah is pleased with your act. On the other hand when a Dr tells you take this medicine and you will recover, you can see, and in some illnesses measure, the success or failure of his opinions.
2- A Dr’s medical ideas interferes in the life of a limited section of the population, his patients and their families, and for a limited time, till they recover or die, and in limited aspects, only the aspects related to their illness. On the other hand scholars effects peoples beliefs which in turn affects everything in their lives for all the time.
For these two reasons I think that every person should use his/her mind in understanding the religion and not become a passive consumer or a fervent defender of scholars’ interpretations.
weather is getting cloudy now..
Ibrahim did not mention Allah´s revelations or orders.
Finally. Would you please answer this question: Did Allah order the killing of an innocent human being? Does this seem consistent with Allah´s teachings to you!!!!!!!!!!!!
severe lack or linguistic knowledge or you're mixing up meanings on purpose.
To2mar!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
do you read arabic by the way?
answer of your question: sure, if Allah tells that he ordered this then he did.
According to your logic ideas, natural disasters doesn't make sense cause of the death of innocent souls. while to me the story of Ismael is the answer. Cause it tells you just to follow the orders and not to subject it to your limited mind judjments.
Now I think thats the best end we could have to this conversation.
again I strongly condimned the insults that many people did to me when they start the story accusing the prophet eenman for being affected by pagan rituals. and mentioning God SWT in an inapprobriate way before that. and using the whole story for fun and moke by the article writer.
thanks
wassalam
very very nice weatehr.
The newyorker,
I will give a silly example. If you and your colleague at work share the same work car and he asks you to use the car over the weekend then you conclude that he must have received orders from company directive and say to him "I agree, take it and fulfil the duties assigned to you ". Can a third person who hear you exchanging these two sentences say for sure that all what your colleague is going to do with the car tomorrow are explicit orders of the company directive? Could not it be that your colleague is trying to excel in extra duties that was not assigned explicitly to him Or that he will use the car in personal affairs?
Remmebers that profits are human beings in all the aspects unless in revelations ( inma ana basharon methlakom youha ilai) so it is not a blasphemy to say that Ibrahims dream was not an order from God especially that ,again, neither him nor God said so. Ít is not also a blasphemy to assume that a person in influenced by his environment.
As explained earlier, the story, as you say it, is not supported by El Quran. Ibrahim, the would be killer, yes someone who takes the life of an innocent human is nothing but a killer in all the religions and laws, has not said that God commanded (2mr) or revealed (awha) to him this horrible act. I believe that human sacrifice is a despicable pagan ritual that was not and can never be asked by Allah.
Unfortunately, the sour tongue did not reveal a critical mind that can objectively refute an idea.
Salam
The Egyptian
و الله أنا أبي بيعملا
100. "O my Lord! Grant me a righteous (son)!"
101. Fabashsharnahu bighulamin haleemin
101. So We gave him the good news of a boy ready to suffer and forbear.
102. Falamma balagha maAAahu alssaAAya qala ya bunayya innee ara fee almanami annee athbahuka faonthur matha tara qala ya abati ifAAal ma tu/maru satajidunee in shaa Allahu mina alssabireena
102. Then, when (the son) reached (the age of) (serious) work with him, he said: "O my son! I see in vision that I offer thee in sacrifice: Now see what is thy view!" (The son) said: "O my father! Do as thou art commanded: thou will find me, if Allah so wills one practising Patience and Constancy!"
103. Falamma aslama watallahu liljabeeni
103. So when they had both submitted their wills (to Allah., and he had laid him prostrate on his forehead (for sacrifice),
104. Wanadaynahu an ya ibraheemu
104. We called out to him "O Abraham!
105. Qad saddaqta alrru/ya inna kathalika najzee almuhsineena
105. "Thou hast already fulfilled the vision!" - thus indeed do We reward those who do right.
106. Inna hatha lahuwa albalao almubeenu
106. For this was obviously a trial-
107. Wafadaynahu bithibhin AAatheemin
107. And We ransomed him with a momentous sacrifice:
108. Watarakna AAalayhi fee al-akhireena
108. And We left (this blessing) for him among generations (to come) in later times:
109. Salamun AAala ibraheema
109. "Peace and salutation to Abraham!"
110. Kathalika najzee almuhsineena
110. Thus indeed do We reward those who do right.
111. Innahu min AAibadina almu/mineena
111. For he was one of our believing Servants.
هستنى لميعاد الدبح وهقوله عاوز اقولك سر خطير انا مش ابنك وانت مش ابويا
لو كان ابي ابراهيم لوافقت مباشرة لكن ابي بشر فحتما هذا من فعل الشيطان
اذا بد ينفذ الحلم اللي حلمه بدافع عن نفسي